{"id":18263,"date":"2011-11-17T22:38:40","date_gmt":"2011-11-17T22:38:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mixedracestudies.org\/wordpress\/?p=18263"},"modified":"2017-06-13T14:01:57","modified_gmt":"2017-06-13T14:01:57","slug":"rejoining-the-parts-a-conversation-with-jane-lazarre-about-race-fiction-american-history-and-her-new-novel-inheritance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mixedracestudies.org\/wp\/?p=18263","title":{"rendered":"Rejoining the Parts: A Conversation with Jane Lazarre About Race, Fiction, American History and Her New Novel, Inheritance"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong><em><a href=\"http:\/\/chronicle.com\/blognetwork\/tenuredradical\/2011\/11\/1432\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Rejoining the Parts: A Conversation with Jane Lazarre About Race, Fiction, American History and Her New Novel, Inheritance<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/chronicle.com\/blognetwork\/tenuredradical\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tenured Radical<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/chronicle.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Chronicle of Higher Education<\/a><br \/>\n2011-11-15<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/cpotter01.faculty.wesleyan.edu\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Claire Potter<\/a><\/strong>, Professor of History and American Studies<br \/>\n<em>Wesleyan University, Middletown, Connecticut<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.janelazarre.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Jane Lazarre<\/em><\/a><em> is a writer of fiction, memoir and poetry who has published many books, beginning with her memoir, <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">The Mother Knot<\/span> (1976; reissued in 1997 by Duke University Press) and most recently,<a href=\"http:\/\/www.mixedracestudies.org\/?p=18261\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Inheritance, A Novel<\/a> (Hamilton Stone Editions, 2011). She has taught writing and literature at New York\u2019s City College and at Yale University; and for many years directed and taught in the undergraduate writing program at Eugene Lang College at the New School.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Tenured Radical<\/strong>: The title of the book \u2014 <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Inheritance <\/span>\u2014 asks the reader to think about what is passed down, generation to generation.\u00a0 But in the first chapter we are confronted with Sam\u2019s frustration and anger that, as a young woman with a white and a black parent, she knows so little of her family history. We come to understand that our historical \u201cinheritance\u201d not only can\u2019t be taken for granted and but also sometimes requires active recovery. How did you come to understand that this was the story you wanted to tell about America\u2019s racial past?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jane Lazarre<\/strong>: From my early experiences in the late 1960s as a new member, by marriage, of an African American family, and throughout the years of raising two Black sons, I became deeply aware of how much I, as an American and as a white American, did not know about African American history \u2014 which is a central, defining part of American history. At the same time, of course, I began to understand all I was unaware of about race, despite a deeply anti-racist upbringing. As a mother, a writer and teacher, I began to study the subject. I saw that I was part of a great majority of white Americans of all ethnic backgrounds, in my ignorance of the complex forces of American racism&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>&#8230;TR<\/strong>:<\/em><em> We\u2019ve heard so much since 2008, and the election of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Barack_Obama\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Black president<\/a> with a white mother, about the United States finally being \u201cpost-racial,\u201d and a new kind of fantasy about the beneficial effects of race-mixing, or multiracialism, seems to play a big role in this. But several multiracial characters in <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Inheritance<\/span> make the point strongly that they are not immune from racism and that not to be recognized as Black is to deprive them of an inheritance of struggle. Can you elaborate on this theme a bit?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>JL:<\/strong> I wrote extensively about this subject in my memoir,<em> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mixedracestudies.org\/?p=12410\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Beyond the Whiteness of Whiteness<\/a><\/em>, a title that is a take on<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ralph_Ellison\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> Ralph Ellison\u2019s<\/a> famous exploration, in<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Invisible-Man-Ralph-Ellison\/dp\/0679732764\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> <em>Invisible Man <\/em><\/a>(1952) of \u201cthe blackness of blackness.\u201d I disagree strongly with the idea that the election of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Barack_Obama\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">President Obama<\/a> is the signal and sign of our \u201cpost-racialism.\u201d <strong>I know that people of color, including people with one white parent, experience racism every day, even if there have been significant changes in our legal, and even social, attitudes.<\/strong> I believe that all of us, as Americans, are inheritors of the struggle of African Americans to both liberate and recreate themselves, and we deny this connection at our peril and to our great loss. Samantha Reed, the daughter of a (half) black father and a (Jewish) white mother, knows at a very early age that her identity, her history, her future, and even her unconscious (shown in the \u201cwhite dream\u201d she inherits in the Prologue of the novel,) are profoundly affected by, laced with, absorbed in, her heritage and her life as a Black woman in America. That does not mean she rejects or dismisses her other ethnic histories, nor that she does not love \u201cthe three white women whose histories flow into [her] own,\u201d as she says in the early pages of the book. But I am saying, in this novel, as in other works, the lessons I have learned from my life as a mother, now a grandmother, as a teacher of African American literature and a writer about race: <strong>that so-called mixedness means little in American history. As I said above, many enslaved Americans, including the great <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Frederick_Douglass\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Frederick Douglass<\/strong><\/a><strong>, were \u201cmixed\u201d due to rape or forced sexual unions, and nevertheless remained enslaved.<\/strong> Racism in this country is not unchanged from previous centuries, or even previous decades, but as many cultural theorists have written, our educational and prison systems are evidence to the ongoing racism still permeating much of our lives&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Read the entire interview <a href=\"http:\/\/chronicle.com\/blognetwork\/tenuredradical\/2011\/11\/1432\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Rejoining the Parts: A Conversation with Jane Lazarre About Race, Fiction, American History and Her New Novel, Inheritance Tenured Radical The Chronicle of Higher Education 2011-11-15 Claire Potter, Professor of History and American Studies Wesleyan University, Middletown, Connecticut Jane Lazarre is a writer of fiction, memoir and poetry who has published many books, beginning with [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[12,459,13743,8,394,20,25],"tags":[8300,8299,5559,8301,2183],"class_list":["post-18263","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-articles","category-history","category-interviews","category-media-archive","category-socialscience","category-usa","category-women","tag-claire-b-potter","tag-claire-potter","tag-jane-lazarre","tag-tenured-radical","tag-the-chronicle-of-higher-education"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mixedracestudies.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18263","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mixedracestudies.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mixedracestudies.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mixedracestudies.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mixedracestudies.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=18263"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/mixedracestudies.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18263\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":54185,"href":"https:\/\/mixedracestudies.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18263\/revisions\/54185"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mixedracestudies.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=18263"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mixedracestudies.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=18263"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mixedracestudies.org\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=18263"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}